Friday, May 8, 2009

Where does President Obama Really Stand on Gay "Marriage?"

First he's against it. Then he's for it. Now he says it should be left up to the states.

So, Mr. President, which one is it?


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  2. Obama said:

    "I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman. But I also agree with most Americans, including Vice President Cheney and over 2,000 religious leaders of all different beliefs, that decisions about marriage should be left to the states as they always have been." (I have no source; my sister sent me the quote.)

    Then there's this:

    In a letter he sent to the Alice B. Toklas L.G.B.T. Democratic Club, a San Francisco gay rights group, Obama said this: "I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states" (

    *My thoughts: That last quote from him doesn't seem to support the first quote that he believes "decisions about marriage should be left to the states as they always have been." But, Obama's ambiguity is nothing new to some of us. Oh, and to put the icing on the ambiguity cake, while Obama declares that he opposes Prop 8, it is also certain that, "He remains opposed to same-sex marriage, but supports civil unions and domestic partnerships" ( He opposes a one man, one woman definition of marriage (CA's Prop 8), but also opposes same-sex marriage? Hmm, can we say PANDERING?!

    This issue is very important to hundreds of thousands of Americans. And what's more, even setting aside the issue of homosexual "marriage," what of the issue of a president who vacillates, who says only what he thinks people want to hear instead of standing for what America needs?

  3. A lot of politicians generally say what they think you want them to say. If they actually disagree with you they will say something confusing and leave you unsure of their position, very rarely giving a straight yes or no.

  4. I think Obama is on the homosexual side. He is just waiting until several more states are forced to accept homosexual marriage by corrupt leaders and then he'll declare his true side and try to push it on the rest of the nation.

    A friend of mine is friends of the founders of the website The Purple Pamphlet, which uses academic research to make students, professors, and other individuals aware of the misguided views about homosexuality being promoted by the homosexual agenda. I just thought it might have some good scientific content that can support and defend marriage, so I’m throwing it out here for others to see.

    Here is their about page, “Early fall semester 2004, an ad in the Weber State University (WSU) student paper, The Signpost, by an organization known as Evergreen International–an organization dedicated to providing information and support to individuals overcoming unwanted same-sex attractions. Some students opposing the ad began an editorial debate, slandering religionists and conservatives that support sexual re-orientation. Some students with pro-traditional views responded, only to be accused of being hateful and close-minded. To challenge the claims that pro-traditional values students had discriminated against gays and pro-gay movement students, a study was conducted using 32 editorials on homosexuality between the years 2001 and 2005. The results were shocking! Pro-gay movement students were 11.8 times more likely to verbally attack pro-traditional values students than the converse. Furthermore, pro-traditional values students were 4 times as likely to make statements of understanding or sympathy toward their opponents. Pro-gay movement students were also found to be 5 times more likely to write editorials that initiated controversial debate. In addition to these findings, students reported harassment and discrimination from WSU professors for supporting traditional values.”

  5. Yeah, but pro-traditional values students were 11.8 times more likely not to have a clue about the techniques used by folks like Evergreen who claim to cure 'teh gay' ... google: Legacies 1996

  6. I think you said it just right, Secular Heretic. President Obama is one of those politicians that sit the fence for as long as they can. Then he'll usually just go with whatever direction the wind is blowing.

  7. I agree, Kingfisher. Secular Heretic and Davecr hit the nail on the head. Obama is biding his time. The sad thing is that these recent legalizations of homosexual marriage in various states are NOT indicative of greater public sentiment. Instead, they are the result of legislative and judicial activism. Obama has to be sure of the public's views before he can declare himself one way or the other. Mainstream media is definitely not helping the matter by hyping up the supposed "rapid acceptance" of homosexual marriage.

  8. If we want to push Obama and other opportunists to our side of the fence, we need to make it very easy for them. They are not going to do the hard things even when these are the right things to do.

    These kinds of politicos are like the stale Fortune Cookies you get at a really cheap Chinese restaraunt. The message inside doesn't make up for the fact that you have a crumbly cookie that no one expects you to actually eat. That is, if you even bother to crack the stale thing open in the first place.


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