tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post1219726466724027183..comments2023-10-26T05:13:25.490-05:00Comments on Kingfisher Column: New York Gay “Marriage” Debate: Ruben Diaz Under PressureKingfisherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09104803485290311402noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-29415698782380031512009-05-05T15:14:00.000-05:002009-05-05T15:14:00.000-05:00Oops -- meant to say, in the last paragraph:
"Fina...Oops -- meant to say, in the last paragraph:<br />"Finally, [to] provide a counterpoint citation ..."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11328835025335017154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-68449493353790175252009-05-05T15:12:00.000-05:002009-05-05T15:12:00.000-05:00I have a particular bias favoring SSM, but appreci...I have a particular bias favoring SSM, but appreciate the references provided by thepomegranateapple. Nevertheless, please do note the statement quoted therein:<br /><br />"Those who say the evidence falls short of showing that same-sex parenting is equivalent to opposite- sex parenting (or better, or worse) are . . . right."<br /><br />That is, any statement that same-sex parenting is any "worse" for a child than opposite-sex parenting is likewise unsupported by the evidence. <br /><br />Further, if we are to accept the proposition that child rearing in the nuclear biological family is a positive environment, this does not mean that anything "different" from that environment is necessarily negative. (If that were the case then surely any time and effort devoted toward thwarting gay marriage would help more children if tasked toward reducing straight marriage divorce rates and childbirth out of wedlock, both of which are quite prevalent and perfectly legal.)<br /><br />I simply haven't seen any statistical evidence (as contrasted with analogical evidence) that demonstrates any cognizable secular damage to individuals or society caused by SSM. Faith, as the antithesis of ratioincination, is by definition not subject to rational debate, but when we discuss the societal goods of competent parenting there is nothing out there that would rank a same sex couple's abilities as anything less than any other form of familial organization.<br /><br />Finally, provide a counterpoint citation, The American Psychological Association, for example, has said: “[T]here is no scientific evidence that parenting effectiveness is related to parental sexual orientation: lesbian and gay parents are as likely as heterosexual parents to provide supportive and healthy environments for their children. … [R]esearch has shown that the adjustment, development, and psychological well-being of children is unrelated to parental sexual orientation and that the children of lesbian and gay parents are as likely as those of heterosexual parents to flourish.” See: http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/policy/parents.htmlAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11328835025335017154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-11112425934398148142009-01-03T18:39:00.000-06:002009-01-03T18:39:00.000-06:00i saw that! it's really interesting. I would like ...i saw that! it's really interesting. I would like to see more studies done with same-gender parenting. <BR/><BR/>There haven't been enough, but my common sense says: kids need a mom and a dad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-43148737700645042192009-01-03T15:53:00.000-06:002009-01-03T15:53:00.000-06:00I suppose yo have heard about the new book that ju...I suppose yo have heard about the new book that just a came out last year <A HREF="http://secularheretic-st.blogspot.com/2009/01/out-from-under-impact-of-homosexual.html" REL="nofollow">"Out From Under"</A>. It tells of one womens experiences growing up in a family where her father ha a same sex attraction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-54234524317635769082009-01-03T14:02:00.000-06:002009-01-03T14:02:00.000-06:00yeah, i know i kind of went crazy. there's just a ...yeah, i know i kind of went crazy. there's just a lot of misinformation on both sides.<BR/><BR/>no one knows the outcome of same-gender parenting. experts on both side of the issue admit this.<BR/><BR/>what we do know is that every study ever done shows the in-tact married family is the best situation for children.<BR/><BR/>politicians should not try social experiments to be PC or get more votes.<BR/><BR/>I love Diaz for the stand he's taking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-83473295811223953572009-01-03T12:49:00.000-06:002009-01-03T12:49:00.000-06:00Wow, pomegranateapple, that's quite the comprehens...Wow, pomegranateapple, that's quite the comprehensive list of rebuttals there. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>I will pray for Senator Diaz as well as send him my thanks for his continued strength of conviction against same-sex "marriage." I fervently hope he can withstand the strong-arm tactics his opposition will surely use to attempt to force him to succumb to and promote their views on the subject.Pearlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13696307318838041605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-67960590921370270542009-01-02T19:17:00.000-06:002009-01-02T19:17:00.000-06:00Hi Bill, can you give us a link so we can verify y...Hi Bill, can you give us a link so we can verify your claims.<BR/><BR/>There is also a very recent study out (2008) which says that children have fewer problems at school and home when they live with both biological parents and frequently attend religious services. <A HREF="http://secularheretic-st.blogspot.com/2008/12/children-who-live-with-biological.html" REL="nofollow">Children Who Live with Biological Parents Fare Best.</A><BR/><BR/><BR/>thepomegranetapple, you came up with some good ideas there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-22874112849211076102009-01-02T17:22:00.000-06:002009-01-02T17:22:00.000-06:00bill, while study after study shows that children ...bill, while study after study shows that children do awesome in traditional marriages--there is no evidence that shows children do the same in same-gender households. I don't think it's a good idea for government to sanction a social experiment.<BR/><BR/>William Meezan & Jonathan Rauch,<B> Gay Marriage, Same-Sex Parenting, and America’s Children, 15 FUTURE OF CHILD. 97, 104 (2005)</B><BR/><BR/><I>“We do not know how the normative child in a same-sex family compares with other children. . . . Those who say the evidence falls short of showing that same-sex parenting is equivalent to opposite- sex parenting (or better, or worse) are . . . right.” </I><BR/><BR/>According to this source from a magazine devoted to same-gender parenting…no one knows what the outcomes are for same-gender parenting.<BR/><BR/>2. <A HREF="http://www.acpeds.org/?CONTEXT=art&cat=22&art=50&BISKIT=711636269" REL="nofollow">American college of Pediatricians</A>:<BR/><I>Data on long-term outcomes for children placed in homosexual households are very limited and the available evidence reveals grave concerns. <B>Those current studies that appear to indicate neutral to favorable results from homosexual parenting have critical flaws such as non-longitudinal design, inadequate sample size, biased sample selection, lack of proper controls, and failure to account for confounding variables.</B></I><BR/><BR/>3. <A HREF="http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/MothersFathersMatter.pdf" REL="nofollow">Bonus Problems with the studies</A><BR/><BR/>“Numerous reviews of the literature on sexual orientation and parenting have been conducted. At least three such reviews have pointed to the serious scientific limitations of the social science literature on gay parenting.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the most thorough review was prepared by Steven Nock, a sociologist at the University of Virginia who was asked to review several hundred studies as an expert witness for the Attorney General of Canada.<BR/><BR/>Nock concluded:<BR/>Through this analysis I draw my conclusions that<BR/><BR/>1) all of the articles I reviewed contained at least one fatal<BR/>flaw of design or execution;<BR/><BR/>2) not a single one of those studies was conducted according to general accepted standards of scientific research. Design flaws researchers have found in these studies include very basic limitations:<BR/><BR/>a. No nationally representative sample. Even scholars enthusiastic about unisex parenting, such as Stacey and Biblarz, acknowledge that “there are no studies of child development based on random, representative samples of [same-sex couple] families.”<BR/><BR/>b. Limited outcome measures. Many of the outcomes measured by the research are unrelated to standard measures of child well-being used by family sociologists (perhaps because most of the researchers<BR/>are developmental psychologists, not sociologists).<BR/><BR/>c. Reliance on maternal reports. Many studies rely on a mother’s report of her<BR/>parenting skills and abilities, rather than objective measures of child outcomes.<BR/><BR/>d. No long-term studies. All of the studies conducted to date focus on static or short-term measures of child development. Few or none follow children of unisex parents to adulthood.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4961055470406458728.post-57105884544888717062009-01-02T16:41:00.000-06:002009-01-02T16:41:00.000-06:00Just wanted to point out that in fact the studies ...Just wanted to point out that in fact the studies have not shown that kids do better in heterosexual families. There was indeed early studies done by an anti homosexual group that said that kids do not do well in homosexual families but that study has sense been disproven. More recent studies have said that kids do just as well in homosexual families as they do in heterosexual families. bill.johnson19d@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04786486098204873131noreply@blogger.com